From josh@postgresql.org Mon Nov 28 22:42:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92A0D1125049 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:42:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 64551-09 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:42:33 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [200.46.204.71]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC4A1125039 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:42:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 167659DCBB1 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:42:30 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 65387-04 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:42:31 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dsl081-245-111.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.245.111]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835DB9DCACB for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:42:27 -0400 (AST) From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL Project To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:47:18 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511281447.18330.josh@postgresql.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Testing .... X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh@postgresql.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:42:37 -0000 Folks, Given the issues with the mailing lists, I wanted to test this one. -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.) From josh@postgresql.org Wed Nov 30 21:50:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C67D1125054 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:50:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17402-02 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:50:55 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [200.46.204.71]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07FF1125002 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:50:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996829DCD45 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:50:50 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17124-06; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:50:49 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dsl081-245-111.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.245.111]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63449DCD2F; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:50:45 -0400 (AST) From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL Project To: "Gevik Babakhani" , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:55:37 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200511301959.jAUJxQCA011982@smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <200511301959.jAUJxQCA011982@smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511301355.37359.josh@postgresql.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.045 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.045] X-Spam-Score: 0.045 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "'Jim C. Nasby'" Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh@postgresql.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 21:50:59 -0000 Gevik, > I am going to post the following to the kennisgres-pgdn, general and the > hackers list. If you have anything to add please let me know. Yeah, I think we first need to discuss the goals for the project. For example: You'd formulated it as PostgreSQL Global Developers Network, whereas I think the companies involved are interested in a KB primarily for *users*. Not that those things are too far apart, but it needs discussion before we drag in a bunch more volunteers. -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.) From jnasby@pervasive.com Wed Nov 30 23:09:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89CD41125054 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:09:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21917-01 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:09:18 -0400 (AST) Received: from ausimss.pervasive.com (ausimss.pervasive.com [66.45.103.246]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E991125002 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:09:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ausbayes2.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.8.6]) by ausimss.pervasive.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:09:08 -0600 Received: from ausmailowa.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.4.8]) by ausbayes2.aus.pervasive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:09:07 -0600 Received: from ausmail2k4.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.4.17]) by ausmailowa.aus.pervasive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:09:07 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:09:07 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcX1/HR6tFC9YHLESDCMzOV4nUm6/gABoZAw From: "Jim Nasby" To: , "Gevik Babakhani" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 23:09:07.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[109EE230:01C5F603] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:09:28 -0000 Agreed. It's not really clear to me what PGDN would actually be. Is it = the community developers? A coalition of commercial PostgreSQL-based = businesses? > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@postgresql.org] > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:56 PM > To: Gevik Babakhani; kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org > Cc: Jim Nasby > Subject: Re: Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base >=20 >=20 > Gevik, >=20 > > I am going to post the following to the kennisgres-pgdn,=20 > general and the > > hackers list. If you have anything to add please let me know. >=20 > Yeah, I think we first need to discuss the goals for the=20 > project. For=20 > example: You'd formulated it as PostgreSQL Global Developers=20 > Network,=20 > whereas I think the companies involved are interested in a KB=20 > primarily=20 > for *users*. Not that those things are too far apart, but it needs=20 > discussion before we drag in a bunch more volunteers. >=20 > --=20 > --Josh Berkus >=20 > Josh Berkus > PostgreSQL Project Core Team > www.postgresql.org >=20 > (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak > for the Project unless specifically noted.) >=20 From josh@postgresql.org Wed Nov 30 23:30:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E7CC1125054 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:30:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22622-01 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:30:07 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [200.46.204.71]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643FB1125002 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:30:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED5E9DCB0D for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:29:13 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22224-05; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:29:08 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dsl081-245-111.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.245.111]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C924E9DD438; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:29:03 -0400 (AST) From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL Project To: "Jim Nasby" Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 15:33:51 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511301533.52164.josh@postgresql.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.035 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.035] X-Spam-Score: 0.035 X-Spam-Level: Cc: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, Gevik Babakhani Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh@postgresql.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:30:17 -0000 Jim, > Agreed. It's not really clear to me what PGDN would actually be. Is it > the community developers? A coalition of commercial PostgreSQL-based > businesses? Can you be the motivator for getting this organized? I'm really 0 for available bandwidth until the end of the year. -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.) From jnasby@pervasive.com Wed Nov 30 23:49:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D6C1125054 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:49:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22683-07 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 19:49:34 -0400 (AST) Received: from ausimss.pervasive.com (ausimss.pervasive.com [66.45.103.246]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171DB1125002 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:49:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ausbayes2.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.8.6]) by ausimss.pervasive.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:49:19 -0600 Received: from ausmailowa.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.4.8]) by ausbayes2.aus.pervasive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:49:18 -0600 Received: from ausmail2k4.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.4.17]) by ausmailowa.aus.pervasive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:49:18 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:49:17 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcXyHUGwifVvh2ICRBmhkxOESsQ3DwCJlnwQAHC0IwA= From: "Jim Nasby" To: "Gevik babakhani" , "Josh Berkus" , "Andy Astor" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2005 23:49:18.0486 (UTC) FILETIME=[ADBBBB60:01C5F608] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:55:35 +0000 Cc: Dave Page , jd@commandprompt.com, Scott Yara , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Denis Lussier , Stephen Slezak , Shahzad Khokhar Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:49:43 -0000 As Gevik mentioned, there's now a mailing list. Everyone please get on = it ASAP. I think it would be best to setup a phone call so there is consensus on = what we're trying to accomplish here. Here's what Josh Berkus sent out last week: Personally, I'm picturing a combination of issue-based Q&A, How-To=20 articles and code snippets. Like MS Technet, only with How-To=20 articles and samples as well. A lot of the articles will be re-written=20 summaries of knowledge from bug reports, release notes, mailing lists=20 and blogs. Searchability will be paramount. A second major area that I think should be fundamental to whatever we=20 use is translation management; that is, the system should manage=20 translating articles and information from one language to another,=20 including supporting the origination of articles in non-English = languages. In addition to that, I'll add that I think we need to get community = involvement as well. One possible way is to offer incentives to authors = of articles, possibly some kind of gift for every X articles, or = offering monthly prizes for the most popular articles by vote, web = traffic, what-have-you. There's also been rumblings about putting the commercial interests on = the hook for X number of articles a week. Rather than that, I think it = would make more sense to allow for commercial attribution on articles = sponsored by a company (read as: someone on company time wrote it). One = possibility is to have articles sponsored by a company show up with that = company's logo somewhere. Finally, if there's time and interest, we could discuss creating some = sort of commercial PostgreSQL consortium geared towards advancing = PostgreSQL and expanding it's market share, something that would benefit = all of us. I think everyone here is within a US time zone; just throwing a date = out, does Wed. 12/7 at 3-4PM CST work? Can someone arrange a call-in = number? In the meantime feel free to add to the discussion via email. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gevik babakhani [mailto:gevik@xs4all.nl] > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 12:17 PM > To: 'Josh Berkus'; 'Andy Astor' > Cc: 'Denis Lussier'; 'Shahzad Khokhar'; 'Joshua D. Drake'; Jim Nasby; > 'Scott Yara'; Stephen Slezak; paul.oh@sun.com; scrappy@hub.org; > jd@commandprompt.com; Jim Nasby; 'Dave Page' > Subject: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base >=20 >=20 > Hello All, >=20 > I have setup a mailing list at=20 > http://pgfoundry.org/mailman/listinfo/kennisgres-pgdn >=20 > The list name at http://pgfoundry.org/mail/admin/?group_id=3D1000145 > Shows it is not activated but this is a bug I think. >=20 > Please check out the first link. >=20 >=20 > Regards, > Gevik. >=20 >=20 >=20 From gevik@truesoftware.nl Thu Dec 1 00:09:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94ED81125054 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:09:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24049-04 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:09:29 -0400 (AST) Received: from smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.37]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C071125002 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:09:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gevbook (213-84-4-128.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.4.128]) by smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB107i2e018600; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:07:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gevik@truesoftware.nl) Message-Id: <200512010007.jB107i2e018600@smtp-vbr17.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik Babakhani" To: "'Jim Nasby'" , "'Josh Berkus'" , "'Andy Astor'" , Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:07:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcXyHUGwifVvh2ICRBmhkxOESsQ3DwCJlnwQAHC0IwAAANrJ8A== X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.087 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087] X-Spam-Score: 0.087 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:13:05 +0000 Cc: 'Dave Page' , jd@commandprompt.com, 'Scott Yara' , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, 'Denis Lussier' , 'Stephen Slezak' , 'Shahzad Khokhar' Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:09:41 -0000 > I think it would be best to setup a phone call so there is consensus on > what we're trying to accomplish here. Agreed. That would be great, I am not in the US, Actually I am in The Netherlands, please lets set a time that I can participate too :) Regards, Gevik From jnasby@pervasive.com Thu Dec 1 00:16:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EB01125069 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:16:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24482-01 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:16:16 -0400 (AST) Received: from ausimss.pervasive.com (ausimss.pervasive.com [66.45.103.246]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64841125002 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:16:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ausbayes2.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.8.6]) by ausimss.pervasive.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:16:08 -0600 Received: from ausmailowa.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.4.8]) by ausbayes2.aus.pervasive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:16:07 -0600 Received: from ausmail2k4.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.4.17]) by ausmailowa.aus.pervasive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:16:07 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:16:07 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcXyHUGwifVvh2ICRBmhkxOESsQ3DwCJlnwQAHC0IwAAANrJ8AAAmJ/Q From: "Jim Nasby" To: "Gevik Babakhani" , "Josh Berkus" , "Andy Astor" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 00:16:07.0382 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CB5C760:01C5F60C] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:41:56 +0000 Cc: Dave Page , jd@commandprompt.com, Scott Yara , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Denis Lussier , Stephen Slezak , Shahzad Khokhar Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:16:27 -0000 Hrm, that's GMT +2ish, right? You don't want to be in a call at 9PM? :P How about 10AM CST/2PM GMT? Is that too early for the left-coasters? > -----Original Message----- > From: Gevik Babakhani [mailto:gevik@truesoftware.nl] > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:08 PM > To: Jim Nasby; 'Josh Berkus'; 'Andy Astor'; > kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org > Cc: 'Denis Lussier'; 'Shahzad Khokhar'; 'Joshua D. Drake';=20 > 'Scott Yara'; > Stephen Slezak; paul.oh@sun.com; scrappy@hub.org;=20 > jd@commandprompt.com; > 'Dave Page' > Subject: RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base >=20 >=20 > > I think it would be best to setup a phone call so there is=20 > consensus on > > what we're trying to accomplish here. >=20 > Agreed. That would be great, I am not in the US, Actually I am in The > Netherlands, please lets set a time that I can participate too :) > =20 > Regards, > Gevik >=20 >=20 From syara@greenplum.com Thu Dec 1 04:15:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303E01125085 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:15:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 58882-06 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 00:15:19 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail.Mi8.com (d01gw01.mi8.com [63.240.6.47]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089DF112507E for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 01:49:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 172.16.1.24 by mail.Mi8.com with ESMTP (- Welcome to Mi8 Corporation www.Mi8.com (D1)); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:48:54 -0500 X-Server-Uuid: 241911D6-425B-44B9-A073-E3FE0F8FC774 Received: from MI8NYCMAIL06.Mi8.com ([172.16.1.160]) by d01smtp03.Mi8.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:47:57 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 20:47:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3E37B936B592014B978C4415F90D662D01C48AE0@MI8NYCMAIL06.Mi8.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcXyHUGwifVvh2ICRBmhkxOESsQ3DwCJlnwQAHC0IwAAANrJ8AAAmJ/QAANAOvA= From: "Scott Yara" To: "Jim Nasby" , "Gevik Babakhani" , "Josh Berkus" , "Andy Astor" , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2005 01:47:57.0621 (UTC) FILETIME=[41118650:01C5F619] X-WSS-ID: 6F90890C3287460500-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:41:56 +0000 Cc: jd@commandprompt.com, Dave Page , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Denis Lussier , Stephen Slezak , Shahzad Khokhar Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 04:15:37 -0000 I can do a 10 AM CST. - Scott=20 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Nasby [mailto:jnasby@pervasive.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:16 PM To: Gevik Babakhani; Josh Berkus; Andy Astor; kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Cc: Denis Lussier; Shahzad Khokhar; Joshua D. Drake; Scott Yara; Stephen Slezak; paul.oh@sun.com; scrappy@hub.org; jd@commandprompt.com; Dave Page Subject: RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Hrm, that's GMT +2ish, right? You don't want to be in a call at 9PM? :P How about 10AM CST/2PM GMT? Is that too early for the left-coasters? > -----Original Message----- > From: Gevik Babakhani [mailto:gevik@truesoftware.nl] > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:08 PM > To: Jim Nasby; 'Josh Berkus'; 'Andy Astor';=20 > kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org > Cc: 'Denis Lussier'; 'Shahzad Khokhar'; 'Joshua D. Drake'; 'Scott=20 > Yara'; Stephen Slezak; paul.oh@sun.com; scrappy@hub.org;=20 > jd@commandprompt.com; 'Dave Page' > Subject: RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base >=20 >=20 > > I think it would be best to setup a phone call so there is=20 > consensus on > > what we're trying to accomplish here. >=20 > Agreed. That would be great, I am not in the US, Actually I am in The > Netherlands, please lets set a time that I can participate too :) > =20 > Regards, > Gevik >=20 >=20 From dpage@vale-housing.co.uk Thu Dec 1 08:25:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E711125074 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:25:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 61889-06 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 04:24:42 -0400 (AST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F742112506A for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:24:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate.vale-housing.co.uk ([194.217.48.34] helo=vale-housing.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EhjkA-000FuP-KN for kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:24:42 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:24:41 -0000 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcXyHUGwifVvh2ICRBmhkxOESsQ3DwCJlnwQAHC0IwAAEkzC4A== From: "Dave Page" To: "Jim Nasby" , "Gevik babakhani" , "Josh Berkus" , "Andy Astor" , X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:30:11 +0000 Cc: jd@commandprompt.com, Scott Yara , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Denis Lussier , Stephen Slezak , Shahzad Khokhar Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:25:31 -0000 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Nasby [mailto:jnasby@pervasive.com]=20 > Sent: 30 November 2005 23:49 > To: Gevik babakhani; Josh Berkus; Andy Astor;=20 > kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org > Cc: Denis Lussier; Shahzad Khokhar; Joshua D. Drake; Scott=20 > Yara; Stephen Slezak; paul.oh@sun.com; scrappy@hub.org;=20 > jd@commandprompt.com; Dave Page > Subject: RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base >=20 > As Gevik mentioned, there's now a mailing list. Everyone=20 > please get on it ASAP. As this is the first I've heard of this, would someone mind telling what the heck it's all about, and how it ties in with the KB we're already building on www.postgresql.org? > I think everyone here is within a US time zone; just throwing=20 > a date out, does Wed. 12/7 at 3-4PM CST work? Can someone=20 > arrange a call-in number? In the meantime feel free to add to=20 > the discussion via email. Well I'm in GMT, and no, I can't call in to the US while I'm at work. I can't guarantee to talk at all outside of work hours at the moment due to other commitments. Regards, Dave From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Dec 1 12:01:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: Kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4780A112506E for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:00:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11761-06 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:00:50 -0400 (AST) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9987112506A for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:00:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail.xs4all.nl (dovemail7.xs4all.nl [194.109.26.9]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1C0qCB003152 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:00:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Received: from 195.169.118.227 (SquirrelMail authenticated user gevik) by webmail.xs4all.nl with HTTP; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:00:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4999.195.169.118.227.1133438452.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:00:52 +0100 (CET) From: "Gevik" To: Kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Discussion call X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:01:03 -0000 I think it is important that Dave also can participate in the possible call, perhaps we could make this call on a weekend. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Nasby [mailto:jnasby at pervasive.com] > Sent: 30 November 2005 23:49 > To: Gevik babakhani; Josh Berkus; Andy Astor; > kennisgres-pgdn at pgfoundry.org > Cc: Denis Lussier; Shahzad Khokhar; Joshua D. Drake; Scott > Yara; Stephen Slezak; paul.oh at sun.com; scrappy at hub.org; > jd at commandprompt.com; Dave Page > Subject: RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base > > As Gevik mentioned, there's now a mailing list. Everyone > please get on it ASAP. As this is the first I've heard of this, would someone mind telling what the heck it's all about, and how it ties in with the KB we're already building on www.postgresql.org? > I think everyone here is within a US time zone; just throwing > a date out, does Wed. 12/7 at 3-4PM CST work? Can someone > arrange a call-in number? In the meantime feel free to add to > the discussion via email. Well I'm in GMT, and no, I can't call in to the US while I'm at work. I can't guarantee to talk at all outside of work hours at the moment due to other commitments. Regards, Dave From decibel@decibel.org Thu Dec 1 18:11:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: Kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36707112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:11:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07645-08 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:11:25 -0400 (AST) Received: from flake.decibel.org (flake.decibel.org [67.100.216.10]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CC91125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:11:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: by flake.decibel.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 002C61525F; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:11:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:11:25 -0600 From: "Jim C. Nasby" To: Gevik Subject: Re: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Discussion call Message-ID: <20051201181125.GA13642@nasby.net> References: <4999.195.169.118.227.1133438452.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4999.195.169.118.227.1133438452.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE-p10 i386 X-Distributed: Join the Effort! http://www.distributed.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:11:31 -0000 This weekend is bad for me; maybe next. On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 01:00:52PM +0100, Gevik wrote: > I think it is important that Dave also can participate in the possible > call, perhaps we could make this call on a weekend. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Nasby [mailto:jnasby at pervasive.com] > > Sent: 30 November 2005 23:49 > > To: Gevik babakhani; Josh Berkus; Andy Astor; > > kennisgres-pgdn at pgfoundry.org > > Cc: Denis Lussier; Shahzad Khokhar; Joshua D. Drake; Scott > > Yara; Stephen Slezak; paul.oh at sun.com; scrappy at hub.org; > > jd at commandprompt.com; Dave Page > > Subject: RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base > > > > As Gevik mentioned, there's now a mailing list. Everyone > > please get on it ASAP. > > As this is the first I've heard of this, would someone mind telling what > the heck it's all about, and how it ties in with the KB we're already > building on www.postgresql.org? > > > I think everyone here is within a US time zone; just throwing > > a date out, does Wed. 12/7 at 3-4PM CST work? Can someone > > arrange a call-in number? In the meantime feel free to add to > > the discussion via email. > > Well I'm in GMT, and no, I can't call in to the US while I'm at work. I > can't guarantee to talk at all outside of work hours at the moment due > to other commitments. > > Regards, Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > Kennisgres-pgdn mailing list > Kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org > http://pgfoundry.org/mailman/listinfo/kennisgres-pgdn > -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461 From decibel@decibel.org Thu Dec 1 18:16:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF074112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:16:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12395-06 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:16:07 -0400 (AST) Received: from flake.decibel.org (flake.decibel.org [67.100.216.10]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EF41125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:16:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: by flake.decibel.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 85E651525E; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:16:07 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:16:07 -0600 From: "Jim C. Nasby" To: Dave Page Subject: Re: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Message-ID: <20051201181607.GB13642@nasby.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE-p10 i386 X-Distributed: Join the Effort! http://www.distributed.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Jim Nasby , Denis Lussier , jd@commandprompt.com, Scott Yara , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Andy Astor , Stephen Slezak , Shahzad Khokhar , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:16:14 -0000 On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 08:24:41AM -0000, Dave Page wrote: > > As Gevik mentioned, there's now a mailing list. Everyone > > please get on it ASAP. > > As this is the first I've heard of this, would someone mind telling what > the heck it's all about, and how it ties in with the KB we're already > building on www.postgresql.org? I wasn't aware that there was an effort to create a KB at postgresql.org (other than this one...) :( Basically, we want to have a KB that encourages/rewards commercial interests that contribute to it, for two reasons: commercial companies have resources that can be thrown at populating the KB (which is critical for it to be useful), and many (if not all) of these companies will have their own KB's anyway, so it would be best if articles could easily be shared. -- Jim C. Nasby, Sr. Engineering Consultant jnasby@pervasive.com Pervasive Software http://pervasive.com work: 512-231-6117 vcard: http://jim.nasby.net/pervasive.vcf cell: 512-569-9461 From josh@postgresql.org Thu Dec 1 18:19:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57B9112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:19:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14434-08 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:19:46 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [200.46.204.71]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B190E1125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:19:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2D69DD67B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:19:46 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15261-05; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:19:40 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (dsl081-245-111.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.245.111]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31FB9DD638; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:19:38 -0400 (AST) Message-ID: <438F3EBB.3070007@postgresql.org> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:19:39 -0800 From: Josh Berkus User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Macintosh/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Page References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Jim Nasby , Denis Lussier , "Joshua D. Drake" , Scott Yara , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Andy Astor , Stephen Slezak , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, Shahzad Khokhar Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:19:53 -0000 Dave, > As this is the first I've heard of this, would someone mind telling what > the heck it's all about, and how it ties in with the KB we're already > building on www.postgresql.org? This is certainly the first time I've heard that anyone else was working on a KB for PostgreSQL. Gevik has been working on his solution for a long time; I've not seen anything on pgsql-www discussing any other effort. Care to bring me up to date? For the effort Jim Nasby and I are spurring, several of the PostgreSQL corporate supporters (GreenPlum, Pervasive, EnterpriseDB, CommandPrompt, Sun) would like to see Postgresql.org have a professional-quality KB which makes it easy for new users and IT managers to find the information which is currently scattered across a dozen web sites and more mailing lists. So this should be a joint effort, from my perspective; we don't need *two* Postgres KBs. --Josh From dpage@vale-housing.co.uk Thu Dec 1 20:19:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2C5112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:19:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 58100-08 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:19:36 -0400 (AST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D39BF1125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:19:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate.vale-housing.co.uk ([194.217.48.34] helo=vale-housing.co.uk) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ehutz-0003zJ-ED for kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:19:35 +0000 Received: from 84.13.71.190 ([84.13.71.190]) by ratbert.vale-housing.co.uk ([192.168.1.106]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:19:35 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:19:33 +0000 From: Dave Page To: Josh Berkus Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcX2tIqcyWJ45GKnEdqgEwARJHpWaA== In-Reply-To: <438F3EBB.3070007@postgresql.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.253 required=5 tests=[RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.253] X-Spam-Score: 1.253 X-Spam-Level: * X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:39:31 +0000 Cc: Jim Nasby , Denis Lussier , "Joshua D. Drake" , Scott Yara , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Andy Astor , Stephen Slezak , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, Shahzad Khokhar Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:19:43 -0000 On 1/12/05 6:19 pm, "Josh Berkus" wrote: > Dave, > >> As this is the first I've heard of this, would someone mind telling what >> the heck it's all about, and how it ties in with the KB we're already >> building on www.postgresql.org? > > This is certainly the first time I've heard that anyone else was working > on a KB for PostgreSQL. Gevik has been working on his solution for a > long time; I've not seen anything on pgsql-www discussing any other > effort. Care to bring me up to date? Yes, Kennigres is *not* what he was working on. It's incompatible with the rest of the web infrastructure because it's based on ASP.NET rather than the PHP solution that had been decided upon on the www list. As far as I'm (well, was) aware, Gevik was still working on that as he hadn't told me or the list to the contrary. > For the effort Jim Nasby and I are spurring, several of the PostgreSQL > corporate supporters (GreenPlum, Pervasive, EnterpriseDB, CommandPrompt, > Sun) would like to see Postgresql.org have a professional-quality KB > which makes it easy for new users and IT managers to find the > information which is currently scattered across a dozen web sites and > more mailing lists. > > So this should be a joint effort, from my perspective; we don't need > *two* Postgres KBs. Agreed. Which is why it seems odd that you're gathering folks elsewhere. I'll try to bullet point my concerns: - postgresql.org website development is discussed on pgsql-www@postgresql.org, not a pgFoundry list. There are key members of the web team who do not even know about this 'new' project. - Kennigres is incompatible with our web infrastructure so cannot be used with the current sites. Not only had we agreed that the pgdn would be part of the main site to take advantage of the mirroring/redundancy etc. long before that we also agreed to get rid of all the sub-sites in the long term, not create more of them. - Gevik has assured me that one of the things you want to discuss is whether to use Kennigres. Does it not seem somewhat odd to do so on the projects own list? Kinda appears that the decision has already been made. Frankly it just seems bizarre to try to reorganise things in what seems like such an underhand way. So, first I would suggest moving this discussion to the www list where it belongs. Secondly, if you're now wanting to build a standalone site, independent of all the existing infrastructure, please let us know why you want us to reconsider the outcomes of our previous discussions and why doing so is a good idea so we can discuss the matter further. Regards, Dave From josh@postgresql.org Thu Dec 1 20:46:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2631125030 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:46:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75644-07 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:46:53 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [200.46.204.71]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70F1D1125023 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 20:46:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 728AA9DCAB5 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:46:53 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75644-06; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:46:49 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dsl081-245-111.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.245.111]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE239DD6B6; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:46:50 -0400 (AST) From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL Project To: Dave Page Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:51:42 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512011251.42984.josh@postgresql.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Jim Nasby , Denis Lussier , "Joshua D. Drake" , Scott Yara , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Andy Astor , Stephen Slezak , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, Shahzad Khokhar Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh@postgresql.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 20:46:57 -0000 Dave, > Yes, Kennigres is *not* what he was working on. It's incompatible with > the rest of the web infrastructure because it's based on ASP.NET rather > than the PHP solution that had been decided upon on the www list. As far > as I'm (well, was) aware, Gevik was still working on that as he hadn't > told me or the list to the contrary. Like I said, I don't recall seeing any discussion of a KB effort on the WWW list. Can you point me to it in the archives? Possibly it happened while I was on a trip. The only reason for considering Kennisgres is because it's being built independantly of organizing a KB. The more "other people's work" we can leverage, the better. -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.) From josh@postgresql.org Thu Dec 1 21:11:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0E41125023 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:11:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89180-01 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:10:51 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [200.46.204.71]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D11A112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:10:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0B89DCD5C for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:10:52 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85030-04; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:10:48 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dsl081-245-111.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.245.111]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECDD49DCB7B; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:10:48 -0400 (AST) From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL Project To: Dave Page Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:15:41 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512011315.41896.josh@postgresql.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Jim Nasby , Denis Lussier , "Joshua D. Drake" , Scott Yara , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Andy Astor , Stephen Slezak , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, Shahzad Khokhar Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh@postgresql.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:11:01 -0000 Dave, > Eh? You actively participated in the discussion, advocating using a CMS > as the contributor interface, and arguing against Gevik writing his own > for the job rather than using something the already existed. > > In no particular order (and I probably missed a few): > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2005-09/msg00047.php > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2005-06/msg00196.php > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2005-07/msg00010.php Aha, the techdocs thread. Right. I thought you meant that there had been a replacement effort? Because Gevik abadoned the Drupal-based stuff. -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.) From josh@postgresql.org Thu Dec 1 21:17:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B70A112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:17:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85570-08 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:17:09 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [200.46.204.71]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CBDD1125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:17:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A7649DD6CF for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:17:10 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 87932-06; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:17:06 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dsl081-245-111.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.245.111]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C4C9DD6C9; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:17:07 -0400 (AST) From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL Project To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Subject: Re: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 13:21:59 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: <200512011315.41896.josh@postgresql.org> In-Reply-To: <200512011315.41896.josh@postgresql.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512011322.00247.josh@postgresql.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Jim Nasby , "Joshua D. Drake" , Scott Yara , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Denis Lussier , Stephen Slezak , Shahzad Khokhar , Andy Astor , Dave Page X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh@postgresql.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:17:19 -0000 Dave, All: > Aha, the techdocs thread. Right. I thought you meant that there had > been a replacement effort? Because Gevik abadoned the Drupal-based > stuff. BTW, if we're looking for replacement code for this I'm currently building a KB for GreenPlum. Or we could look at any of the 7-8 KB projects on Freshmeat. -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.) From dpage@vale-housing.co.uk Thu Dec 1 21:04:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2D71125023 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:04:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 87252-08 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:04:24 -0400 (AST) Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.91]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C1A5112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:04:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate.vale-housing.co.uk ([194.217.48.34] helo=vale-housing.co.uk) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EhvbL-000Et5-Cs for kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:04:24 +0000 Received: from 84.13.71.190 ([84.13.71.190]) by ratbert.vale-housing.co.uk ([192.168.1.106]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:04:24 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:04:22 +0000 From: Dave Page To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcX2us1hDBIDRWKuEdqgEwARJHpWaA== In-Reply-To: <200512011251.42984.josh@postgresql.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.253 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.253] X-Spam-Score: 1.253 X-Spam-Level: * X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:23:26 +0000 Cc: Jim Nasby , Denis Lussier , "Joshua D. Drake" , Scott Yara , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Andy Astor , Stephen Slezak , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, Shahzad Khokhar Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:04:34 -0000 On 1/12/05 8:51 pm, "Josh Berkus" wrote: > Dave, > >> Yes, Kennigres is *not* what he was working on. It's incompatible with >> the rest of the web infrastructure because it's based on ASP.NET rather >> than the PHP solution that had been decided upon on the www list. As far >> as I'm (well, was) aware, Gevik was still working on that as he hadn't >> told me or the list to the contrary. > > Like I said, I don't recall seeing any discussion of a KB effort on the WWW > list. Can you point me to it in the archives? Possibly it happened > while I was on a trip. Eh? You actively participated in the discussion, advocating using a CMS as the contributor interface, and arguing against Gevik writing his own for the job rather than using something the already existed. In no particular order (and I probably missed a few): http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2005-09/msg00047.php http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2005-06/msg00196.php http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2005-07/msg00010.php And the original thread: http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2005-06/msg00010.php > The only reason for considering Kennisgres is because it's being built > independantly of organizing a KB. The more "other people's work" we can > leverage, the better. With all due respect to Gevik, I see only vapourware on the Kennigres project site, yet he has demo'd at least a couple of versions integrated with our existing code on the test box at http://gevik-master.pgadmin.org/. Regards, Dave From andya@enterprisedb.com Thu Dec 1 21:17:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1251125023 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:17:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83107-09 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:17:21 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail1.EnterpriseDB.com (mail1.enterprisedb.com [64.9.18.80]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889001125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:17:24 +0000 (GMT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 16:20:44 -0500 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcX2vDdG5l45JqysSiKyBx4WnXo4kQAALdfg From: "Andy Astor" To: , "Dave Page" , "Denis Lussier" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:23:26 +0000 Cc: Jim Nasby , "Joshua D. Drake" , Scott Yara , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, Denis Lussier , Stephen Slezak , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, Shahzad Khokhar Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:17:28 -0000 Regardless of the outcome of all this, EnterpriseDB just want you all to know that we have a Google appliance that we would be willing to use to host a knowledge base, once we all figure out what knowledge we'd like to create ;- ) Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@postgresql.org] > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:16 PM > To: Dave Page > Cc: Jim Nasby; Gevik babakhani; Andy Astor; kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org; > Denis Lussier; Shahzad Khokhar; Joshua D. Drake; Scott Yara; Stephen > Slezak; paul.oh@sun.com; scrappy@hub.org > Subject: Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base >=20 > Dave, >=20 > > Eh? You actively participated in the discussion, advocating using a CMS > > as the contributor interface, and arguing against Gevik writing his own > > for the job rather than using something the already existed. > > > > In no particular order (and I probably missed a few): > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2005-09/msg00047.php > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2005-06/msg00196.php > > http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-www/2005-07/msg00010.php >=20 > Aha, the techdocs thread. Right. I thought you meant that there had > been a replacement effort? Because Gevik abadoned the Drupal-based > stuff. >=20 > -- > --Josh Berkus >=20 > Josh Berkus > PostgreSQL Project Core Team > www.postgresql.org >=20 > (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak > for the Project unless specifically noted.) From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Dec 1 21:28:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFB91125023 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:28:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 95044-03 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:28:30 -0400 (AST) Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.35]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 112C91125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:28:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gevbook (213-84-4-128.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.4.128]) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1LSJYu015769; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:28:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200512012128.jB1LSJYu015769@smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: , "'Dave Page'" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:28:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200512011315.41896.josh@postgresql.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX2u7lqxuPe/RW2Qzqmj04/hgRmGAAAfnyA X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: 'Jim Nasby' , 'Denis Lussier' , "'Joshua D. Drake'" , 'Scott Yara' , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, 'Andy Astor' , 'Stephen Slezak' , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, 'Shahzad Khokhar' Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:28:38 -0000 > Aha, the techdocs thread. Right. I thought you meant that there had > been a replacement effort? Because Gevik abadoned the Drupal-based > stuff. The reason I did not continue with drupal was because drupal's framework turned out to be inflexible to extend besides of a very simple CMS that we would end up not using it. From dpage@vale-housing.co.uk Thu Dec 1 21:30:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32E9112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:30:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 95911-04 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:30:17 -0400 (AST) Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.85]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B061125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:30:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate.vale-housing.co.uk ([194.217.48.34] helo=vale-housing.co.uk) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ehvtr-0004aH-Iz for kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:23:31 +0000 Received: from 84.13.71.190 ([84.13.71.190]) by ratbert.vale-housing.co.uk ([192.168.1.106]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:30:18 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:30:17 +0000 From: Dave Page To: Gevik babakhani , 'Josh Berkus' Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcX2tIqcyWJ45GKnEdqgEwARJHpWaAAA6jWAAAGOMqs= In-Reply-To: <200512012122.jB1LMXDn005535@smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.253 required=5 tests=[RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.253] X-Spam-Score: 1.253 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: 'Jim Nasby' , 'Denis Lussier' , "'Joshua D. Drake'" , 'Scott Yara' , Marc Fournier , paul.oh@sun.com, 'Andy Astor' , 'Stephen Slezak' , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, 'Shahzad Khokhar' Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:30:25 -0000 On 1/12/05 9:22 pm, "Gevik babakhani" wrote: > In kennisgress's defence, it is just an extendable CMS system. I thought I > did not matter what technology it what built up on. Next to that, kennisgres > > will have the option to export the data as static HTML to be distributed > across the servers or put into CVS for that matter, I thought this was the > major requirement for PGDN, to be able to extract content and serve it as > needed. If that's the case then I have no objection, As you will recall from our previous discussions on -www, the CMS can be whatever is convenient for the contributors, provided it can produce content in a way that we can properly integrate with the existing infrastructure. > My goal is to help only. Oh, please don't misunderstand, I'm not questioning anyone's motives. I'm just concerned that decisions are being made outside of the group who should be making those decision and in fact already did so. BTW, I did ask you this a while back but got no reply so while I have your ear :) - did you get a chance to finish the anti-spam stuff for the website? Regards, Dave From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Dec 1 21:30:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA97112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:30:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89131-10 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:30:45 -0400 (AST) Received: from smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.28]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 566FE1125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:30:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gevbook (213-84-4-128.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.4.128]) by smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1LMXDn005535; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:22:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200512012122.jB1LMXDn005535@smtp-vbr8.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: "'Dave Page'" , "'Josh Berkus'" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:22:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX2tIqcyWJ45GKnEdqgEwARJHpWaAAA6jWA X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: 'Jim Nasby' , 'Denis Lussier' , "'Joshua D. Drake'" , 'Scott Yara' , scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, 'Andy Astor' , 'Stephen Slezak' , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, 'Shahzad Khokhar' Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:30:53 -0000 In kennisgress's defence, it is just an extendable CMS system. I thought I did not matter what technology it what built up on. Next to that, kennisgres will have the option to export the data as static HTML to be distributed across the servers or put into CVS for that matter, I thought this was the major requirement for PGDN, to be able to extract content and serve it as needed. > Yes, Kennigres is *not* what he was working on. It's incompatible with the > rest of the web infrastructure because it's based on ASP.NET rather than > the > PHP solution that had been decided upon on the www list. As far as I'm > (well, was) aware, Gevik was still working on that as he hadn't told me or > the list to the contrary. > - Gevik has assured me that one of the things you want to discuss is > whether > to use Kennigres. Does it not seem somewhat odd to do so on the projects > own > list? Kinda appears that the decision has already been made. Of course, But I am going to develop kennisgress anyway. I absolutely do not intent to force any application (kennisgress or anything else) to the project. My goal is to help only. Gevik. From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Dec 1 21:37:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BE3112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:37:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89376-09 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:36:57 -0400 (AST) Received: from smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.34]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DE41125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:37:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gevbook (213-84-4-128.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.4.128]) by smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1LaklT026097; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:36:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200512012136.jB1LaklT026097@smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: "'Dave Page'" , "'Josh Berkus'" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:36:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX2tIqcyWJ45GKnEdqgEwARJHpWaAAA6jWAAAGOMqsAACeycA== X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: 'Jim Nasby' , 'Denis Lussier' , "'Joshua D. Drake'" , 'Scott Yara' , 'Marc Fournier' , paul.oh@sun.com, 'Andy Astor' , 'Stephen Slezak' , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, 'Shahzad Khokhar' Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:37:05 -0000 >>BTW, I did ask you this a while back but got no reply so while I have your >>ear :) - did you get a chance to finish the anti-spam stuff for the website? It is finished; we only need to test it. I didn't ask anyone because, if you remember at the time I was working on it the team was getting ready for 8.0 release. From dpage@vale-housing.co.uk Thu Dec 1 21:48:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280C6112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:48:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04630-03 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:48:06 -0400 (AST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E0A1125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:48:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate.vale-housing.co.uk ([194.217.48.34] helo=vale-housing.co.uk) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1EhwHg-000Iyi-EA for kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:48:08 +0000 Received: from 84.13.71.190 ([84.13.71.190]) by ratbert.vale-housing.co.uk ([192.168.1.106]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:48:08 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:48:07 +0000 From: Dave Page To: Gevik babakhani , 'Josh Berkus' Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcX2tIqcyWJ45GKnEdqgEwARJHpWaAAA6jWAAAGOMqsAACeycAAAd8By In-Reply-To: <200512012136.jB1LaklT026097@smtp-vbr14.xs4all.nl> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.253 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.253] X-Spam-Score: 1.253 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: 'Jim Nasby' , 'Denis Lussier' , "'Joshua D. Drake'" , 'Scott Yara' , Marc Fournier , paul.oh@sun.com, 'Andy Astor' , 'Stephen Slezak' , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, 'Shahzad Khokhar' Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:48:15 -0000 On 1/12/05 9:36 pm, "Gevik babakhani" wrote: >>> BTW, I did ask you this a while back but got no reply so while I have your >>> ear :) - did you get a chance to finish the anti-spam stuff for the > website? > > It is finished; we only need to test it. I didn't ask anyone because, if you > remember at the time I was working on it the team was getting ready for 8.0 > release. Ah yes. Well, we're far less busy now so feel free to throw it back sometime :-) Regards, Dave From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Dec 1 21:56:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B3D112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:56:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98212-08 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 17:56:27 -0400 (AST) Received: from smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.23]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B12C1125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 21:56:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gevbook (213-84-4-128.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.4.128]) by smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1Lu0u1026736; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:56:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200512012156.jB1Lu0u1026736@smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: "'Dave Page'" , "'Josh Berkus'" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:56:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX2tIqcyWJ45GKnEdqgEwARJHpWaAAA6jWAAAGOMqsAACeycAAAd8ByAABEhzA= X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: 'Jim Nasby' , 'Denis Lussier' , "'Joshua D. Drake'" , 'Scott Yara' , 'Marc Fournier' , paul.oh@sun.com, 'Andy Astor' , 'Stephen Slezak' , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, 'Shahzad Khokhar' Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 21:56:35 -0000 OK, :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Page [mailto:dpage@vale-housing.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 10:48 PM > To: Gevik babakhani; 'Josh Berkus' > Cc: 'Jim Nasby'; 'Andy Astor'; kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org; 'Denis > Lussier'; 'Shahzad Khokhar'; 'Joshua D. Drake'; 'Scott Yara'; 'Stephen > Slezak'; paul.oh@sun.com; Marc Fournier > Subject: Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base > > > > > On 1/12/05 9:36 pm, "Gevik babakhani" wrote: > > >>> BTW, I did ask you this a while back but got no reply so while I have > your > >>> ear :) - did you get a chance to finish the anti-spam stuff for the > > website? > > > > It is finished; we only need to test it. I didn't ask anyone because, if > you > > remember at the time I was working on it the team was getting ready for > 8.0 > > release. > > Ah yes. Well, we're far less busy now so feel free to throw it back > sometime > :-) > > Regards, Dave > From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Dec 1 22:00:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DABC7112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:00:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07161-07 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:00:21 -0400 (AST) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 833B21125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:00:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gevbook (213-84-4-128.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.4.128]) by smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1LxvVh014461; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:59:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200512012159.jB1LxvVh014461@smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: "'Gevik babakhani'" , "'Dave Page'" , "'Josh Berkus'" Subject: RE: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:00:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200512012156.jB1Lu0u1026736@smtp-vbr3.xs4all.nl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX2tIqcyWJ45GKnEdqgEwARJHpWaAAA6jWAAAGOMqsAACeycAAAd8ByAABEhzAAABVJ8A== X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: 'Jim Nasby' , "'Joshua D. Drake'" , 'Scott Yara' , 'Marc Fournier' , paul.oh@sun.com, 'Denis Lussier' , 'Stephen Slezak' , 'Shahzad Khokhar' , 'Andy Astor' , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:00:31 -0000 I hope these last mails shed some light on things, so where do we go from here? From josh@postgresql.org Thu Dec 1 22:02:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E476E112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:02:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01889-08 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:02:14 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [200.46.204.71]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400711125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:02:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7CA9DCB7B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:02:15 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02748-07; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:02:11 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dsl081-245-111.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.245.111]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 339C99DCAB5; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:02:12 -0400 (AST) From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL Project To: Dave Page Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 14:07:04 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512011407.05358.josh@postgresql.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: 'Jim Nasby' , 'Denis Lussier' , "'Joshua D. Drake'" , 'Scott Yara' , Marc Fournier , paul.oh@sun.com, 'Andy Astor' , 'Stephen Slezak' , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, 'Shahzad Khokhar' Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh@postgresql.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:02:25 -0000 Guys, > If that's the case then I have no objection, As you will recall from our > previous discussions on -www, the CMS can be whatever is convenient for > the contributors, provided it can produce content in a way that we can > properly integrate with the existing infrastructure. Actually, *I* have an objection to this: the KB needs to be *very* searchable, which means full-text indexing, topic trees, etc. Static HTML doesn't cut it. If it did, we could use the Bricolage server which Marc already set up for us. But ... I think we need to launch a full-blown discussion of functional requirements. Which means that we should solicit for others who are interested in working on it. And a list. Since kennisgres-pgdn is already set up, and deleting lists from mailman is a pain, should we just use it? -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.) From gevik@xs4all.nl Thu Dec 1 22:22:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A7A112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:22:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17439-06 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:22:49 -0400 (AST) Received: from smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.33]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30D4E1125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:22:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from gevbook (213-84-4-128.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.4.128]) by smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jB1MMNug033463; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:22:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from gevik@xs4all.nl) Message-Id: <200512012222.jB1MMNug033463@smtp-vbr13.xs4all.nl> From: "Gevik babakhani" To: , "'Dave Page'" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 23:22:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <200512011407.05358.josh@postgresql.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Thread-Index: AcX2wulpOPMVU/35SkCTe3EtEa/U9gAAhcMg X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: 'Jim Nasby' , 'Denis Lussier' , "'Joshua D. Drake'" , 'Scott Yara' , 'Marc Fournier' , paul.oh@sun.com, 'Andy Astor' , 'Stephen Slezak' , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, 'Shahzad Khokhar' Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:22:58 -0000 > Actually, *I* have an objection to this: the KB needs to be *very* > searchable, which means full-text indexing, topic trees, etc. Static > HTML doesn't cut it. If it did, we could use the Bricolage server which > Marc already set up for us. Of cource, the static HTML was only an example of the KB database export, We could export the data into a CHM or PDF file for that matter of even bind the data to TSearch2. As long as the backend db is postgres " :) " there is no limitation of what one could do with the data that resides in the database. >But ... I think we need to launch a full-blown discussion of functional >requirements. Which means that we should solicit for others who are >interested in working on it. And a list. Since kennisgres-pgdn is already >set up, and deleting lists from mailman is a pain, should we just use it? Sounds okay to me. From dpage@vale-housing.co.uk Thu Dec 1 22:34:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC309112500B for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:33:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17083-08 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 18:33:48 -0400 (AST) Received: from anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.86]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E421125004 for ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:33:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate.vale-housing.co.uk ([194.217.48.34] helo=vale-housing.co.uk) by anchor-post-36.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Ehwzv-0003Rg-KG for kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:33:51 +0000 Received: from 192.168.1.106 ([192.168.1.106]) by ratbert.vale-housing.co.uk ([192.168.1.106]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:33:51 +0000 From: "Dave Page" To: Message-ID: <008701c5f6c7$4de19475$6a01a8c0@valehousing.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 22:33:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Thread-Topic: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcX2x03hY+QksviPQMSrad0RLCZIbg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.86 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.543, MSGID_DOLLARS=2.163, RATWARE_MS_HASH=1.379, RATWARE_OUTLOOK_NONAME=1.861] X-Spam-Score: 2.86 X-Spam-Level: ** Cc: jnasby@pervasive.com, denis@enterprisedb.com, jd@commandprompt.com, syara@greenplum.com, scrappy@hub.org, paul.oh@sun.com, andya@enterprisedb.com, sslezak@pervasive.com, kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, shahzadk@enterprisedb.com Subject: [Kennisgres-pgdn] Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 22:34:01 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: "Josh Berkus" Sent: 01/12/05 22:02:24 To: "Dave Page" Cc: "Gevik babakhani", "'Jim = Nasby'", "'Andy Astor'", = "kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org", "'Denis = Lussier'", "'Shahzad = Khokhar'", "'Joshua D. = Drake'", "'Scott Yara'", = "'Stephen Slezak'", = "paul.oh@sun.com", "Marc Fournier" Subject: Re: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base > Static HTML doesn't cut it. If it did, we > could use the Bricolage server which=20 > Marc already set up for us. Since when was static html not full text indexable? And as far as I'm = aware, the only reason we didn't use the Bricolage server was because = Gevik preferred Drupal. Anyhoo, you know my (and many others) feelings about building Yet = Another Website so I won't repeat them again. Suffice it to say, you'd = need a much better reason than possibly improved indexing to change my = mind on that one. Regards, Dave -----Unmodified Original Message----- Guys, > If that's the case then I have no objection, As you will recall from = our > previous discussions on -www, the CMS can be whatever is convenient = for > the contributors, provided it can produce content in a way that we can > properly integrate with the existing infrastructure. Actually, *I* have an objection to this: the KB needs to be *very*=20 searchable, which means full-text indexing, topic trees, etc. Static=20 HTML doesn't cut it. If it did, we could use the Bricolage server which = Marc already set up for us. But ... I think we need to launch a full-blown discussion of functional=20 requirements. Which means that we should solicit for others who are=20 interested in working on it. And a list. Since kennisgres-pgdn is=20 already set up, and deleting lists from mailman is a pain, should we = just=20 use it? --=20 --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.) From jnasby@pervasive.com Fri Dec 2 18:11:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106171125021 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:11:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 57640-04 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:11:04 -0400 (AST) Received: from ausimss.pervasive.com (ausimss.pervasive.com [66.45.103.246]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992701125005 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:11:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ausbayes2.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.8.6]) by ausimss.pervasive.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:11:00 -0600 Received: from ausmailowa.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.4.8]) by ausbayes2.aus.pervasive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:11:00 -0600 Received: from ausmail2k4.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.4.17]) by ausmailowa.aus.pervasive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:10:59 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:10:58 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcX2tIqcyWJ45GKnEdqgEwARJHpWaAAA6jWAAAGOMqsAACeycAAAd8ByAABEhzAAABVJ8AAqEWiw From: "Jim Nasby" To: "Gevik babakhani" , "Dave Page" , "Josh Berkus" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 18:10:59.0530 (UTC) FILETIME=[BF705AA0:01C5F76B] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Denis Lussier , "Joshua D. Drake" , Scott Yara , Marc Fournier , paul.oh@sun.com, Andy Astor , Stephen Slezak , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, Shahzad Khokhar X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:11:09 -0000 Well, I think most of the discussion that needs to take place from a = requirements standpoint (at least from a non-technical requirements = standpoint) is around getting all the commercial interests on the same = page. Would it be safe to assume that the community would welcome KB = articles attributed in some way to the companies that wrote/sponsored = them? ISTM it will be easier to get folks from the companies on a call = together to discuss things, so maybe it would be best to do that and = then we can figure out what tools to use and how to make this work best = with the community website. So, does Dec. 7, 10-11AM CST work for the commercial interests on the = list? This meeting should focus on what companies would want to see out = of a shared KB. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gevik babakhani [mailto:gevik@xs4all.nl] > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 4:00 PM > To: 'Gevik babakhani'; 'Dave Page'; 'Josh Berkus' > Cc: Jim Nasby; 'Denis Lussier'; 'Joshua D. Drake'; 'Scott Yara'; 'Marc > Fournier'; paul.oh@sun.com; 'Andy Astor'; Stephen Slezak; > kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org; 'Shahzad Khokhar' > Subject: RE: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL > Knowledge Base >=20 >=20 > I hope these last mails shed some light on things, so where=20 > do we go from > here? >=20 >=20 From josh@postgresql.org Fri Dec 2 18:17:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A073A1125021 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:17:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56950-08 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:17:15 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [200.46.204.71]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 166051125005 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:17:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0B19DD763 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:17:15 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 62845-03; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:17:12 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dsl081-245-111.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.245.111]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057CC9DD737; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:17:11 -0400 (AST) From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL Project To: "Jim Nasby" Subject: Re: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:22:03 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512021022.04194.josh@postgresql.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.026 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026] X-Spam-Score: 0.026 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "Joshua D. Drake" , Scott Yara , Marc Fournier , paul.oh@sun.com, Denis Lussier , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, Stephen Slezak , Shahzad Khokhar , Andy Astor X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh@postgresql.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:17:20 -0000 Jim, > Well, I think most of the discussion that needs to take place from a > requirements standpoint (at least from a non-technical requirements > standpoint) is around getting all the commercial interests on the same > page. Would it be safe to assume that the community would welcome KB > articles attributed in some way to the companies that wrote/sponsored > them? > > ISTM it will be easier to get folks from the companies on a call > together to discuss things, so maybe it would be best to do that and > then we can figure out what tools to use and how to make this work best > with the community website. Sure (and the time suggested is as OK with me as any other likely time). However, I'd like to get started on discussing the functional requirements on the mailing list. As such, I've invited other members of WWW to participate, per Dave's request. Phone conferences are good for discusing goals, but not for discussing technical detail. -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.) From jnasby@pervasive.com Fri Dec 2 18:18:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B7D1125021 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:18:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59802-05 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 14:18:43 -0400 (AST) Received: from ausimss.pervasive.com (ausimss.pervasive.com [66.45.103.246]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024761125005 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 18:18:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ausbayes2.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.8.6]) by ausimss.pervasive.com with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:18:41 -0600 Received: from ausmailowa.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.4.8]) by ausbayes2.aus.pervasive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:18:41 -0600 Received: from ausmail2k4.aus.pervasive.com ([172.16.4.17]) by ausmailowa.aus.pervasive.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:18:41 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 12:18:40 -0600 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Thread-Index: AcX3bKKUJ4gI/1fqTBa8CjpAeAU2fQAAB3DA From: "Jim Nasby" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2005 18:18:41.0095 (UTC) FILETIME=[D28D9570:01C5F76C] X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "Joshua D. Drake" , Scott Yara , Marc Fournier , paul.oh@sun.com, Denis Lussier , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, Stephen Slezak , Shahzad Khokhar , Andy Astor X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 18:18:48 -0000 Agreed. And I'm fine with moving the technical discussion to -www if = thats what people would rather do. > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Berkus [mailto:josh@postgresql.org] > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:22 PM > To: Jim Nasby > Cc: Gevik babakhani; Dave Page; Denis Lussier; Joshua D. Drake; Scott > Yara; Marc Fournier; paul.oh@sun.com; Andy Astor; Stephen Slezak; > kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org; Shahzad Khokhar > Subject: Re: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL > Knowledge Base >=20 >=20 > Jim, >=20 > > Well, I think most of the discussion that needs to take place from a > > requirements standpoint (at least from a non-technical requirements > > standpoint) is around getting all the commercial interests=20 > on the same > > page. Would it be safe to assume that the community would welcome KB > > articles attributed in some way to the companies that=20 > wrote/sponsored > > them? > > > > ISTM it will be easier to get folks from the companies on a call > > together to discuss things, so maybe it would be best to do that and > > then we can figure out what tools to use and how to make=20 > this work best > > with the community website. >=20 > Sure (and the time suggested is as OK with me as any other=20 > likely time). =20 >=20 > However, I'd like to get started on discussing the functional=20 > requirements =20 > on the mailing list. As such, I've invited other members of WWW to=20 > participate, per Dave's request. Phone conferences are good=20 > for discusing=20 > goals, but not for discussing technical detail. >=20 > --=20 > --Josh Berkus >=20 > Josh Berkus > PostgreSQL Project Core Team > www.postgresql.org >=20 > (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak > for the Project unless specifically noted.) >=20 From josh@postgresql.org Fri Dec 2 19:13:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Delivered-To: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B0B1125021 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:13:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pgfoundry.org ([200.46.204.130]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79138-10 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:13:48 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org (postgresql.org [200.46.204.71]) by pgfoundry.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A88F1125005 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 19:13:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 650CE9DD767 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:13:48 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 82308-08; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:13:44 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.2.3] (dsl081-245-111.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.245.111]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCA79DCAD7; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 15:13:44 -0400 (AST) From: Josh Berkus Organization: PostgreSQL Project To: "Jim Nasby" Subject: Re: [Kennisgres-pgdn] RE: Mailing list, Joint PostgreSQL Knowledge Base Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2005 10:29:10 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200512021029.11577.josh@postgresql.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.022 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.022] X-Spam-Score: 0.022 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Scott Yara , Marc Fournier , paul.oh@sun.com, Denis Lussier , kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org, Stephen Slezak , Shahzad Khokhar , Andy Astor X-BeenThere: kennisgres-pgdn@pgfoundry.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.2a0 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh@postgresql.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:13:56 -0000 Jim, > Agreed. And I'm fine with moving the technical discussion to -www if > thats what people would rather do. I'd rather not, and Dave is OK with this. WWW has enough people on it now that no matter what you propose, two people have something negative to say about it. It's not terribly condusive to getting stuff done on a deadline. -- --Josh Berkus Josh Berkus PostgreSQL Project Core Team www.postgresql.org (all opinions expressed are my own; I do not speak for the Project unless specifically noted.) From j